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corey
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: Did I play this correctly? |
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Here's the deal: I was playing in an eight person friendly tourny last night. It's down to me and one other person at the end, everyone else was eliminated. This kid is a conservative/somewhat tight player who doesn't like to make big bets and get's scared of them easily. I am a more aggresive type and like to bet quite often. Anyway, here is the hand:
I get 62o and am on the big blind. He simply calls, so I see the free flop. It comes Q55 rainbow. I'm in LP, he checks. I am thinking he might be slowplaying either a Q or a 5, so I check as well. Next card comes as a 6. This card didn't match any suit on the flop and gave no straight draws. He checks again... I think he has nothing, I move all in. He quickly calls, holding 53o. Needless to say I lose.
I was in shock he checked his trip 5's twice... No big deal, I won the previous two tourny's we had, and I still won some money for coming in second. Just got really confused. |
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lork
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| He played it well. You gotta switch up your betting system sometimes, or people will know exactly how you play and what you may have. |
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pritz
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Hahaha, you say on the flop that you had a feeling he had either a pair of QUEENS or TRIP 5's. Then all of a sudden you hit a pair of SIX's and you move all-in??? Then you say, "I was in shock." You put him on his hand on the flop, if you had to make sure, put out a bet to see if he re-raises you. That would have been a smarter move than moving all-in. |
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corey
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Re-read my post again. I was thinking he was slowplaying the trips to trap me, so I checked them after he checked as well. Then he CHEKED THEM AGAIN, which made me think he had nothing. I hate when people don't read the entire post, or atleast don't understand what I wrote. |
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pritz
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I do understand. A moderate bet would have been the right play on the turn. If he flat calls then your suspicion of the trap is still there and if he re-raises you fold. All-in was still the wrong play. |
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johnf
Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| All-in is a risky bet here. If he doesn't have anything (which you half-presumed, otherwise you wouldn't have made the play), he won't call a bet...you then pick up the pot. The only way you're getting a call here is if he already has you beat...even if he caught a pair of sixes on the turn, he'd have you beat due to your piss poor kicker. By making a moderate bet instead of an all-in, you would have accomplished the same attempt to pick up the pot without having put all your chips in jeopardy on such a marginal hand. |
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ballen
Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that was a poor play pocket...If I'm the SB I check that flop all the way to the river to hope you DO catch somethin'... |
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corey
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the input guys. I definetly see where I went wrong now... No big deal, it was a friendly, loose game and I still came out ahead. |
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norshvind
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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trying to figure out something here... correct me if I'm wrong...
you shouldnt' have been betting second after the flop if you were on the BB...
when hold-em gets to heads up... the BB has to be "in front of" the dealer.... so that means heads up is an exception to the normal "the person to the left of the dealer posts the small blind...."
in heads up, the dealer is the small blind... and that makes the BB the first to act after the flop....
am I nuts... I know that's the rule... |
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jhasper
Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| his flop check is believable assuming he was slow playing it but another check on the turn forces u to assume he had nothing, so ur all in attempt at forcing him out was a descent play to me, maybe u should have just went a lil big instead of pushin them all in though. |
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arcfinn
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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in heads up, the dealer is the small blind... and that makes the BB the first to act after the flop....
norshvind, The button would be the bb in heads up and would go after the sb. corey had it correct. As for going all in, I totally agree with dirty dirty. |
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johnf
Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| jhasper wrote: | | his flop check is believable assuming he was slow playing it but another check on the turn forces u to assume he had nothing, so ur all in attempt at forcing him out was a descent play to me, maybe u should have just went a lil big instead of pushin them all in though. |
I will often check on both the flop AND the turn when I have a big hand in a heads-up situation...particularly when my opponent is an aggressive player who I feel certain will bluff too much and/or overbet pots with marginal hands. If I am really certain that my opponent will bet out if I check to him a third time, I'll check to him on the river as well. This way, he's likely to go all-in with top pair top kicker or even two pair (meaning a higher second pair than the one on board) against my trips, or at least lose more money than he otherwise would have.
The point is this: Trips is a very powerful hand in a heads-up situation. Such powerful situations are rare, and you should look to get all or most of your opponents' chips on these hands. Assuming there are no obvious flush or straight draws, I will gladly allow my opponent to make a second best hand for free.
Another play (remember, you gotta mix it up!) I like when I catch my trips with a pair on the board is to come out betting a modest amount on the flop. If my opponent calls me, you can assume he might have a draw of some sort, but more likely two pair or even just overcards. In that case, I will check the turn, particularly if the turn card does not increase the likelihood of a draw. This show of weakness tends to throw a lot of players off, and gives them the impression that their hand is either good enough or that they can bluff you out of the pot. You then have the option of smoothcalling or raising here, depending on the board, your reading of your opponent's hand, and how likely he would be to call a reraise here.
In heads up play, more than any other time in the tourney, I feel, you've got to mix up your play. One of the biggest mistakes I see tourney players make is not adjusting hand values in heads-up play and playing too tight-passive. In heads-up play, you should really look to become the aggressor...just don't become too reckless. |
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quickie
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there was a need to go all in. What does it get you except for the opportunity to get knocked out? If he had "nothing" and decent bet would have gotten him to fold. 3X BB might have done it.
All you were trying to do was get him to fold.. I think too many people call "all-in" just because it's fun to say.
I've won most of my tourneys just slow playing heads up catching impatient/aggressive players..they get sick of hearing me check. Mind you I mix in aggresive play to steal blinds.. (at least at casinos)- home games are on to me. |
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heartbreaker
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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There was no preflop raise, and no betting on the flop, so the pot was very small. The max bet I would put in is 4X the BB, and that would be as a total bluff for the pot.
Going all in on a pot size like that is definatly the wrong thing to do. You can accomplish the same thing with a much smaller bet. There was nothing to gain by going all in, absolutly nothing. |
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crazypete
Joined: 29 Dec 2005
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I also think there is something wrong with the original post by PocketAces.
Heads Up:
Dealer is SB
Non-dealer is BB
SB ( dealer ) is first to act before the flop
BB ( non-dealer ) is first to act after the flop.
The original post says he was BB and yet after the flop he was acting last? Can't be correct unless they didn't know the rules for Heads Up play. |
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